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things here, one of the reasons to throw out the tax code is we are driving factories, driving business, driving investment overseas. we should bring them tonight -- >> they're taking our jobs and money. >> reporter: after a freefall on wall street, scott walker demands the cancellation of the chinese president's state visit and donald trump says "i told you so." >> we have nobody that has a clue. plus, jeb bush takes on trump at the border. >> if he was interested in a more comprehensive approach he might want to are read my book "immigration wars." >> and defends his use of the term "anchor baby." >> frankly, it's more related to asian people. this rumors about biden 2016. >> he's the original authentic candidate. and the americans in paris who stopped a tragedy.
>> he seemed like he was ready to fight to the end so were we. "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. on a day when the stock market panicked amid worries over china's economy with the dow falling more than a thousand points in the first six minutes of trading and closing down nearly 600 points, the front-runner in the gop presidential race, the most trusted candidate on the economy among republican primary voters according to poll after poll. donald trump delivered an instagram address. >> i've been telling everybody for a long time china is taking our jobs and our money. be careful. they'll bring us down. you have to know what you're doing. we have nobody that has a clue. >> what trump's been saying that the wily chinese are kicking our butts doesn't fit with the fact that the chinese economy is in crisis and the leaders seem to be at a loss about what to do about it. but if you like nuance you can vote for someone else. it's been fascinating watching
the other candidates deal with the ambiguity free ideologically muddled attitude-driven approach known as trumpism. scott walker tried not just to channel trump's appeal but do it one better suggesting president obama should cancel an official visit by china's president in the wake of the stock market selloff. >> why would we be giving one of our highest things the president can do, and that's a state dinner for xi jinping, the head of china, at a time when these problems are pending out there. we should say those should only be -- those honors should be bestowed upon leaders and countries that are allies and supporters of the united states. >> jeb bush, meanwhile, has been trying to counter trumpism by questioning trump's conservative bona fides. a strategy based on the dubious assumption that republican voters care whether trump is ideologically pure. ahead of trump's big rally in alabama on friday, the bush camp sent an e-mail to voters in the state calling trump's positions "deeply out of step with the
alabama way of life." the pro-bush super pac even flew a plane over the rally with a bumper reading "trump 4 higher taxes, jeb 4 president." today bush made the pilgrimage to the texas border where he slammed trump's immigration proposals. >> his proposal is unrealistic, it will cost hundreds of billions of dollars, it will violate people's civil liberties and create friction with our third-largest trading partner that isn't necessary and i think he's wrong about this. if he was interested in a more comprehensive approach, he might want to read my book "immigration wars" which i published four years ago. i welcome mr. trump into the debate, i think that's great. he's a serious candidate and he ought to be held to what serious candidates need to be held to, he needs to be held to account for his views. >> trump doesn't seem all that interested in the details.
in an interview yesterday he declined to offer specifics about his plan to deport every last undocumented worker in the u.s. >> where are you going to get the money? where are you going to get the forces? exactly how are you going to do it? what are the specifics here? >> george, it's called management. the first thing we have to do is secure the border but it's called management. >> and before jeb bush's border trip today, trump criticized his rival for having a more empathetic world view. >> well, i think it's great he's going to the border because i think he'll find out that it's not an act of love when the people -- you know, he said people crossing are crossing as an act of love, which came back to haunt him. he will find out it's not an act of love. i was down on the border. it's rough, tough, stuff. >> rough, tough, stuff. that's apparently what trump's supporters want to hear, simple, aggressive and blissfully free of the boring complexities of governance. joining me, joy reid as well as the publisher of "the federalist" and host of the federalist radio hour. ben, it seems to me that jeb bush is operating on the premise right now that the way to come
back at trump is to basically counter him mostly on substance. i mean, he's been dragged into some of the same rhetoric, there's the anchor baby thing. there's an amazing clip of him defending that terminology which we'll play in a moment which is pure vp. but he seems to have the faith which i in some ways find admirable, i guess, that this kind of substantive approach basically this is not serious, here's actually what it would look like and here's the reason that he's not actually a conservative because he has these believes out of step with our ideology, that that is going to work. i'm not sure that it is. >> yeah, i think you're right about that, chris. and i think one of the reasons you're right is because i think trump's support is not particularly motivated by conservatism. it's motivated by hawkish approach to the border and to immigration policy. he's the only candidate throughout endorsing mass deportation and he's tapped into a lot of anger and frustration that backs that idea. at the same time, his appeal is style over substance. he's about talking his views the
same way as a guy yelling at the tv in the bar, and this connects with the american people. what doesn't connect with the american people or the republican electorate at the moment is jeb bush's kind of nerdy approach to policy which is something that is admirable on his part but is not the sort of thing that gets you the kind of excitement and the kind of crowds for your various long-winded addresses as trump currently does. >> on that approach to policy, you know, he basically used the term "anchor babies" in a conversation with bill bennett. a lot of people find that term offensive. i myself am one of them. also because it's like -- it's a fictional phenomenon in a certain way. >> there were 8,500, basically, foreign nationals who had what you could term "anchor babies" in, like, the last year or whatever, 2013. >> and that is -- let's be
clear, there's a thing called birth tourism to use a phrase which i think is better and those people are people with a lot of money from abroad who come here and don't -- it's not an anchor, they have the child and go back and then in the future when the kid is 18 they want to send him to harvard, basically the paperwork is easier. and he tried to pivot today to that phenomenon with this back and forth in a pretty cringe-inducing way. take a look. >> my background, my life, the fact that i'm immersed in the immigrant experience. this is ludicrous for the clinton campaign and others to suggest that somehow -- somehow i'm using a derogatory term. what i was talking about was the specific case of fraud being committed where there's organized efforts and, frankly, it's more related to asian people coming into our count ry, having children, in the organized efforts taking advantage of a noble concept
with a birth right citizenship. i support the 14th amendment. nothing about what i've said should be viewed as derogatory towards immigrants at all. >> what do you think, joy? >> okay, well that clears that up. it's the asians! [ laughter ] >> here's the thing i would say, right? what i find interesting about that back and forth is he's trying to redirect to this thing i think that ben is talking about, "rolling stone" published about this tiny micro niche industry for global elites but let's be honest, that's not what anyone was talking about. it's not the conversation you're having with bill bennett. let's be clear. there's a little bit of a bait and switch. >> this strikes me of that's what happens in campaigns where a staffer found that article that you're talking about, showed it to the candidate or showed it to a senior person in the campaign and that bled into his attempt to fix his other problem. and that he was using a short hand to do it. now on the upside, before giving that odd not helpful answer that's already the subject of e-mails from a lot of jeb bush potential opponents, he did actually give his "i lived the immigrant experience in my own household" in perfect spanish. then he went and threw it away by showing the country he's willing to go to an even more
offensive version than before. >> and i think what we're seeing here, ben, for lack of a better phrase it's like donald trump keeps running up on stage and pantsing jeb bush and these candidates and that's his whole approach. it's juvenile. it's deeply juvenile. it's adolescent. >> it's juvenile but it works. >> but how do you respond to that? it's like we're trying to have an election and you feel like jeb bush is giving the press interview while pulling his pants up awkwardly. >> the thing i think is true about this and i think you agree with me on this, chris, is that the leadership of both parties agree on the topics of immigration and trade and they have for quite some time. this has left a void, a group of people who feel disaffected, many of them within the republican party but many of them also independents which is why trump does well among independents who basically have the opposite feelings, they are in favor of protectionism,
tariffs and these different approaches and they're in favor of doing something that the leadership of both parties has basically said to them it's not okay for you to want that. it's not okay for you to want to deport these people and trump is playing to that and he's playing to it perfectly in terms of his attitude and everything else. the challenge for jeb is how do you relate to somebody like that who's running for president in a completely different way than what you would expect them to do if he was a serious candidate. >> what's important about what ben said and i recommend what he wrote in "the federalist" about this is that it's people who are hearing that you can't want this from republican leaders. from corporations. so they're just as mad at big corporations and republicans as they are at democrats for that. >> which very nicely cues up our next topic. joy reid, ben domenech, thank you very much. donald trump has played the role of what we might call a donor class traitor, scourge of fellow oligarchs pointing out that wealthy people, big businesses and republican establishments trade campaign donations for political favors and aren't in step with the base.
this afternoon, trump tweeted out a link to a piece from the international business time concerning the cozy relationship between politicians and wall street. one that happened to include jeb bush. it talks about how lehman brothers was put in charge of $250 million worth of florida's pension funds. then in 2007 just as he left office bush secured a job as a lehman consultant for $1.3 million a year. after that lehman went on to manage $1.2 billion of florida's money, a decision that proved disastrous when lehman went bankrupt in 2008. pointing to that story wasn't the only dig trump made at the donor class. in an interview yesterday he went after "hedge fund guys" for not paying enough in taxes. >> they're paying nothing and it's ridiculous. i want to save the middle-class. the hedge fund guys didn't build this country. these are guys that shift paper around and get lucky. some of them are friends of mine. some i couldn't care less about. it's the wrong thing. the hedge fund guys are getting away with murder. they're making a tremendous amount of money. they have to pay taxes. >> joining me now, pulitzer prize winning journalist david
k. johnson, professor of syracuse university college of law. here's my theory and i want you to tell me what you think about. this you've written about the vetting the media should be doing about trump's record. my theory is what makes him formidable politically and the reason i believe has a shot at the nomination, is he is not imprisoned by the orthodoxies of the donor class. he can be against trade. he can say "screw china." he can talk about the hedge fund guys and campaign finance and this speaks a base that feel this is kind of populist rage that he's able to channel. >> oh, i would agree with you 100% about that, chris. but let's keep in mind that donald is somebody who personally benefits from these things. he's going after the hedge fund guys because of their tax favors, well, he's a professional real estate developer and as i showed in my book "temples of chance" stopped paying income tax in the late 1970s and i'll bet you never see his returns because they'll show he pays little to no tax on his
income because of laws he benefits from. so on the one hand -- >> but let me stop you right there. this is the thing about him that is fascinating. i think that would probably bear out. i doubt we'll see tax returns. but in a fascinating way watching him speak in alabama and watching what he's sort of been -- his shtick on the stump, he's happy to sort of be like "i'm a businessman, i screw people over." he joked about taking the lobbyists' money and not giving them favors. i think that ends up weirdly being part of his appeal. >> oh, i agree with you 100%. look, both bernie sanders, who's drawing bigger crowds than trump, and trump, are appealing to people on pretty much the same grounds. and my column in al jazeera america tomorrow is about this, chris. are it's about how there are people who are looking 35 years after the age of reagan began and saying, hey, we were promised we were going to have prosperity and be well off and lots of jobs and look what we got.
and trump is appealing to that while not having to deal with the fact that he's part of the problem. >> now, you've been sort of talking about the sort of vetting that's necessary. you talk about his long record. you talk about some of the dealings in atlantic city. you talk about his personal life which you wrote a column about maybe being germane to a religiously conservative family values republican primary voter. what's struck me so far is how immune he has been to that vetting. and i can't tell. do you think it's because the media isn't applying it? because the other campaigns aren't dropping sufficient op-o or because people don't, frankly, care? >> i think because people are not aware of it. none of the five big newspapers, network tv news accounts are not delving into trump's background. the problem we've always had in america with politics coverage it's politics reporters cover the horse race, they don't cover the issues. i just watched on cbs the other night trump make an utterly
false statement that went unchallenged by the reporter. probably because the reporter doesn't know what he said is absolutely untrue and -- >> wait, what was the statement? you can't say that and not tell me. >> i'm sorry, there have been so many i can't remember. if you want to have me back i'll look it up and get it for you verbatim. but it leapt out in my mind as something that as a matter of economics is false and -- oh, i know what trump said, he said "nobody gives birth right citizenship." well, as you pointed out, virtually every country in the western hemisphere has birth right citizenship and that wasn't challenged at all by the cbs reporter. >> so we've got a situation where there's a sort of normal rules of politics which don't seem to apply. this is someone who in some ways, i think, has -- in some
ways been a public figure so long that part of the normal vetting process is weirdly -- is really priced in. do you think that bubble bursts? what's your prediction? >> well, i've said from the beginning that trump would be in this for the long haul. four years ago he was negotiating a new tv contract. this time around his tv show is losing ratings and he didn't want to see people say he was fired by nbc so he got out of that. i think that there's a possibility that trump will be the nominee, which would be devastating to the republican party and if he isn't, the question is how does he exit? donald is like hillary clinton in the sense that he can't acknowledge errors. how does he exit? i think that's the great mystery. >> yeah, how he exits is really a question. i think he'll be in it for a while, and i think the more the race shapes up as him versus jeb bush, it's good for him, it's good for jeb bush, it's bad for everybody else, yet that is the way it is driving. david cay johnson, always a pleasure, thank you, sir. >> thank you. still to come, what, if anything, does the dow jones plunge signify. so far theories range from normal market correction to the wrath of god. we'll talk with a guy with a nobel prize.
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july was the hottest ever that we have had data for. that's dating back to 1880. the huff po piece chastised cable news for the paltry amount of coverage we gave to said hotness. from august 20 through sunday the newly released report about july being the hottest month on record was ten times on cable news. during that same period, the name donald trump was mentioned 245 times on msnbc, 265 times on cnn and more than 240 times on fox news. that doesn't include reairs. so the tally for that four-day period of cable news coverage was "july hottest month, 10 months" donald trump, 265 mentions. that's shameful. i will do my best to rectify it. here we go. july was the hottest month since records began in 1880. july was the hottest month in the history of the entire world -- at least dating back to when we have data which is 1880. there has never been a hotter month on earth than july since 1880. this past july, last month, hottest in history in the 135 years since records began and so in the 1,627 months of the earth's entire history since 1880 july was the hottest. so now we're up to 15 mentions and, well, that's -- terrifying. you're welcome.
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>> we will pay dearly as a nation for this thing going on and possibly if we were to stop, stop all this slaughter, the judgment of god might be lifted from us. but it's coming, ladies and gentlemen. we just have a little taste of it in terms of the financial system. >> different people, lots of different explanations for the stock market's wild ride today with the dow jones plummeting more than a thousand points. right after the opening bell only to swing back up again
ultimately to close back to 600 points for the day, 3%. according to pat robertson it's god's punishment for the obama administration's support of planned parenthood. according to donald trump, appearing moments ago, it's a vindication of everything he's been saying about china on the campaign trail. >> we're tying ourself so closely to asia and in particular to china that this is going to be trouble for our country. and not only now have they taken our jobs and they've taken our base and our manufacturing but now they're pulling us down with them and i said "we can't do this, we can't allow this to happen." and we have to do a big uncoupling pretty soon before it's too late. >> a word to the wise -- don't base your investment strategy on stuff political candidates say ever. even if they made a fortune in real estate. trump is right about today's market turmoil having to do with china, though not necessarily for the reasons he indicated. the main stock index in shanghai just took an 8.5% nosedive wiping out all the gains they made so far this year amid increasing fears about china's slowing economic growth.
the question now is was what happened today and last week also a freak occurrence? a fluke like the flash crash of 2010? or it is a sign of something more alarming taking place in the world economy? something that signals the coming of something like another great recession. i'm joined now by nobel prize laureate joe steph stiglitz. it's a great pleasure to have you here. what sense can we make, to the degree there is sense to be made, of fluctuations in a stock market? what sense can we make of what happened? >> i think between the two extremes it's more than the flash crash. and on the other hand it's not like another great recession. >> okay, that's useful. so this isn't just like some bizarre random hiccup that just happened and then we all move on. like, there's something real stuff happening underneath, but the real stuff happening underneath is not worse financial crisis in 70 years? >> that's right. we haven't really fully
recovered from that crisis. and what has happened is the stock market has gone up as if we have fully recovered. so part of the story here is reminding us that the world isn't really on firm ground. just to give you some examples, it's not just china that's having a problem. europe is growing very slowly. there's all the problems with the euro. right now people think there's a resolution to the greek crisis but greece is going to be in depression. depression is going to get worse. that's not a solution, it's a postponement of a solution. so -- and the united states, the last data that came in on the quarterly with wage increases were the lowest in 30 years. so that's hardly a strong recovery. >> so part of the question we've had for a while is you've got these two lines, right? you've got the stock market, right?
and you've got wages and the two have been going like this and there's been if this question for a long time, like how long can this go on? if people don't have more money in their pockets, how can capital valuations get -- be so high. at some point don't they have to sell this stuff to the people earning wages? and so far the answer has been no, they don't, apparently. >> and part of that was always the hope that the emerging markets -- china -- >> would step in? >> would step in. so our consumers have been devastated. household income adjusted for inflation is lower than it was a quarter century ago. so, you know -- >> that's crazy. >> so things are not working well here. they're not as bad as in europe, but we were hoping that china would pull us out. >> and that gets us to this terrifying idea, right? which is china's been growing, 7%, 8%, 9%, 10% year after year after year. no one knows what this whole thing we've constructed looks like with china in a recession.
>> but it's not probably in recession. it's claimed to be growing at 7% and the news coming in is it's probably significantly less than that. but, you know recession, what economists say is two quarters of negative growth, very little evidence that it would be negative growth. >> so what we're seeing is the trajectory of growth level out, perhaps, from the insane rate it's been at for a long time. >> that's right. >> but that is enough! >> a lot of people worry that china's like a bicycle. that you have to ride it at a certain speed and if you go lower, and what's the critical number? if you get lower than, say, 5% they start worry about it wobbling. >> that's a really useful metaphor, actually. since i have you here, can i ask you to fact check or respond to something a presidential candidate said? this is chris christie on his theory about what happened today. take a listen.
>> see, this president thought that money was free and easy and that he could spend as much of it he wanted to without consequence to the american people because where did he get that money from? he borrowed it from the chinese. lots and lots of money from the chinese. and remember that when the chinese hold this much of our ,debt if the chinese get a cough, we get the flu. >> chinese hold our debt therefore we are subject to fluctuations in the chinese macroeconomy and stock market? >> well, i give him an f both on the facts and on the analysis. in terms of the fact what is he seemed to be saying was that we since obama have been spending beyond our means. >> right.
>> now what is true is that back in 2001 and 2003 bush pushed through a tax cut that we couldn't afford and then he went to war and put it entirely on the credit card. the fact is that since obama's been in office, the economy when he got into office was in a deep, deep recession, revenues went down and that meant if he hadn't spent the money, we would have gotten into a depression. >> the other thing is, whatever t-bills they're holding, we'll be exposed to their macro economy and consumers regardless. >> that's the second fundamental point. so the consequence is the fact is we are in a globally integrated economy and there's no way to get out of that. >> f from professor stiglitz to chris christie. thank you, professor. up next, three american men receive a french award for stopping a deadly attack. can you pick me up at 6:30? ah... (boy) i'm here! i'm here! (cop) too late. i was gone for five minutes! ugh! move it. you're killing me.
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this video shows the moments after the attack on a high-speed train bound for paris as one of the americans cares for an injured passenger, the suspected terrorist lies tied up on the floor. the men wrestled him to the ground after he opened fire in the carriage. >> they originally planned on spending the night in amsterdam, but after changing their travel plan, three american tourists, friends since middle school, boarded a high speed train to paris and ended up stopping a potential massacre.
it happened before 6:00 p.m. friday on a train carrying over 500 passengers, three americans, alek skarlatos, spencer stone and anthony sadler said they heard a gun go off and saw a man brandishing an ak-47. tonight we're learning a fourth man, a passenger with dual french and american citizenship was involved in thwarting the attack. >> mugalian rushes to help. he grabs the ak-47, turns and is shot in the back. american spencer stone hears the gunshot, runs toward the gunman and gets him in a choke hold. the attacker pulls out a box cutter. stone, skarlatos and sadler beat the attacker unconscious. >> over the weekend, those three men, two u.s. servicemen, spoke about the other. airman spencer stone showing
visible injuries, his eye bruised, his arm healing in a sling. >> alek hit me on the should and said "let's go." and tackled him. and then he hit the gun on his hand when i put him in a choke hold it just seemed like he kept pulling more weapons left and right. >> he seemed like he was ready to fight to the end so -- so were we. >> reporter: the attacker have been identified as 26-year-old ayoub el khazzani from spain. he was on a terror watch list in france but denied plotting the attack, saying he wanted to rob the train. officials say he was carrying an assault weapon, a handgun and box cutter and several rounds of ammunition. he remains in french custody. meanwhile, the courage of those who stopped the gunmen has drawn praise from around the world. today the three american friends, still wearing their vacation attire along with a british passenger who helped tie up the suspect received france's highest honor. at the presidential palace in paris, french president francois hollande bestowing on the men the legion of honor, an award created by napoleon to recognize outstanding merit. mart mugalian is still recovering from the bullet wound. he will receive the award, along with a french citizen who also helped in the effort, at a later
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in the days that follow, i will instruct the federal department of education -- which should be abolished -- that common core ends today! >> i personally don't think the standards are as great as people think they are. as some of these folks in d.c. think they are. >> i want high standards, i just want them set by people at the local level. >> i stood up to this washington machine from day one by opposing common core. >> i listened over four years
in 130 plus town hall meetings to complaints about common core and they finally got my attention. that's why i changed. >> after years of conservative grass-roots organizing, common core may be shaping up to be the sleeper issue of 2016. so much so that donald trump's very quickly integrated the national reading and math standards into his stump speech as a way of hitting jeb bush. >> and when jeb bush -- ugh -- [ laughter ] when jeb bush, who's totally in favor of common core, weak on immigration, right? [ boos ] very weak on immigration, wants to let people come in. >> k-12 academic benchmarks set up by a bipartisan group of governors have fallen out of national favor fast. but more than that, it appears that almost 15 years after no child left behind, the politics of standardized testing are shifting in the other direction pretty decisively. new polling finds that a
plurality in both parties oppose teachers in their community using common core standards to guide what they teach. a huge majority of republicans, 69%, are against teachers using the standards while 14% support it and 70% don't know or refuse to answer. meanwhile, 38% of democrats oppose teachers using common core while 35% support it and a whopping 26% don't know or refuse to answer. to generalize about the american electorate, they either don't much like common core or don't really know what it is. it looks like an issue without a base of support, which usually spells political death. joining me now, randi weingarten, president of the american federation of teachers. that polling is fascinating. what do you make of that? >> so the rest -- the poll is fascinating but the number one issue is will policymakers listen? because basically the poll is saying stop with the high-stakes consequences of testing, we need more money in schools, we need our local schools, we need lower class size, we need good teachers, good curriculum. and even on the charter question, the public wants charters but they hate vouchers. so what it's basically saying is that common core became about
testing. everybody sees common core as testing. >> those two have been -- this is key, right? because you've defended common core, your union endorsed it, it was part of the coalition that put it together. >> absolutely. >> there has been a huge grass-roots movement against common core. >> right. >> teachers in upstate new york, lefties, righties, across the political spectrum, christian, secular, donald trump. >> right. because what happened was common core -- and if you look at the polling for the last three years, people were willing to try it because it was supposed to be about high standards. it was supposed to be about critical thinking. it was supposed to be about helping kids develop resiliency. but when the first thing that happens is test, test, test, test -- >> and you are told as a parent this is a common core test. >> and then you're told that if you're in new york that the teachers can't talk about the
test because there's a gag order. or if you're in new jersey and a kid tweeted about the test, the kid was about to be expelled because he tweeted about the test. so suddenly if you're a parent you say "what is going on here?" and so you see a huge shift between -- from "i want high standards for my kids, i want them to know what they need to know for life, for college, for citizenship, for career," but this became testing. so i would call this -- it is -- what common core has become is common testing. it's no longer about curriculum or standards. >> and there is a rebellion brewing against standardized testing. that polling shows it. but you look at these town halls, that is a key take away to me that there is real energy, real anger. >> and but what also this poll shows is that the public gets that you don't need standardized testing to be the be all and the end all. they say in this poll, 78% understood that actually looking at student engagement, teacher grades, teacher observation,
graduation rates, that's how we can actually ascertain student success. so what's happened is in the last 15 years, first no child left behind, then race to the top. we've boiled kids down to a test score. teachers to algorithms. we've had this fixation on sanctioned based upon test rather than fixating on children. and the public is saying in a big neon light "stop it, already:" >> so where is that energy going to go in the democratic primary? you have already endorsed hillary clinton. >> so one of the things she said early on, which really -- which our leadership said, wow, she said "stop scapegoating teachers for the ills of society." and she -- you know, so -- >> well, you guys like that. >> well, obviously. but look at what the republicans did. their education summit was a bash fest. >> right. >> so juxtapose john kasich who said "get rid of teacher lounges because that's where teachers talk to each other if i were king." versus her, stop scapegoating.
but we need to get back to basics. >> but the question is there's a political space right now to talk to that and that's an ongoing question in this primary. randi weingarten, thank you very much. >> thank you. coming up, with a 2016 decision yet to be made, could joe biden carve out a spot this late in the game? that's ahead. terry, stop! it's quite alright... you know what? we want to make a deal with you. we're twins, so could you give us two for the price of one? come on, give us a deal. look at how old i am. do you come here often? he works here, terry! you work here, right? yes... ok let's get to the point. we're going to take the deal. get a $1000 volkswagen reward card on select 2015 jetta models. or lease a 2015 jetta s for $139 a month after a $1000 volkswagen bonus. ugh! heartburn!
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aggressively courting donors, spoke a long island developer who raised more than $750,000 for the obama-biden ticket. then the "wall street journal" reported "biden is increasingly leaning toward enter entering the race if it is still possible he can knit together a campaign at this late date." reuters reported biden met with elizabeth warren. characterizing the meeting as further evidence of how seriously the vice president is considering a run for the party's nomination. today the president and vice president met for their weekly private lunch. that's when, according to a tweet from cnn's john berman, a seen your dem says obama gave his blessing to run at lunch if he chooses. decision is his. and then the white house press secretary asked what obama would do if biden decided to run. >> the president has indicated his view that the decision he made, i guess seven years ago now, to add joe biden to the ticket as his running mate was the smartest decision he ever made in politics. and i think that should give you
some sense of the president's view of vice president biden's aptitude for the top job. >> will you say right now that the president will or will not endorse somebody before the primary is over? >> i wouldn't speculate at this point about whether or not the president would offer an endorsement. >> so there's no possibility he could, say, endorse joe biden or endorse hillary clinton? >> i wouldn't rule out an endorsement. >> or bernie sanders. >> or bernie sanders. i wouldn't rule out the possibility of an endorsement of the democratic primary. >> the question now is should democrats be rooting for joe biden to get into the race? we'll talk about that next.
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insurance coverage has expanded nationally and you may now be covered. contact your health plan for the latest information. let's go to the other candidates potentially in this race. would you like to see vice president joe biden jump in? >> i can say if i were hillary i would say don't jump in, if i were joe biden i would give it serious consideration. >> advice from one man who spent his life in politics to another man who spent his life in politics. joining me now, charlie pierce, writer for "esquire" and sam stan, senior politics editor and white house correspondent at the huffington post. sam, you wrote a piece about 11 reasons biden should run. before we get to this, how seriously should i take this? i cannot tell if something like some kind of group psychology squall reckoning that all of us are enmeshed in or if this is real. what do you think?
>> well, we're reporting out tonight the fact that it is real, that he has put out feelers, talked to a couple fund-raisers who said talks are getting more serious than a couple weeks ago. it's driven primarily by something that people really haven't focused on. not so much the clinton e-mail scandal -- although those concerns are there -- but it's the sense among biden and his allies that clinton's not a credible messenger on income inequality and economic inequality and he senses that it's partially because of the foundations the, partially because of the paid speeches but he's worried that when it gets to the general election and this is the major economic political issue of the debate that she won't be a credible messenger. so that's what's motivating. now -- >> is that enough? >> i don't know. >> let me stop you. >> is that enough? i don't know. and is there another candidate out there in the form of bernie sanders who's been beating that drum? yes. >> fair point. charlie, what's your reaction to that? >> well, i think you're right. and i think that anybody -- unless the democrats dig up j.p. morgan and run him this fall, any democrat will look good against any of these republicans
on the issue of income inequality. >> right. and i also feel like -- i mean, sam, not to -- i don't mean to impugn the -- your sources here. >> go ahead and impugn them, it's fine. >> as you can tell. also, joe biden wants to be president of the united states. the idea like, well, i was sitting around and the message -- >> this guy has run twice before. he's been in public life since he was 27, 28. he's a vice president of what is shaping up to be a monumentally significant presidency, whatever side of it you're on. that seems like the core issue here is does this guy want to do it? i think it looks like he wants to do it. >> the means and objective here are intertwined, right? he looks at clinton and sees her as potential will i a flawed messenger on the issue that he believes will be the deciding issue of the day. and that, of course, is income inequality and he believes that that's the pathway to the presidency. now you're right, like anyone in politics, he's self-motivated.
he wants to win. he believes he can get to the white house and he thinks he's a more credible messenger on that issue. the problem is all the other intangibles. does he have the ability to raise enough money to do this? everyone who -- a lot of serious consultants and the people who run campaigns in the states are signed up so it might be too late in the game for this to happen. >> charles, you've covered politicians for a long time. i feel like this is a point in a politician's career when they are very susceptible to making bad decisions. whether or not that's true of biden, when you're basically facing down what would be essentially retirement against your will at this point. >> yeah, i think he's in an interesting spot. he has turned into the beloved uncle of the american political body. he's the uncle with the cool christmas presents who knows all the dirty jokes. that's a great thing to be. if he runs and loses -- and i think all of us would have to
agree the odds are that he would lose, he just becomes another guy who ran for president three times. and i would hate to see that at this point because of the incredible life he's lived, the incredible almost kennediesque tinge of tragedy that surrounds his personal life and his ability to overcome that and become this beloved figure that he has become. the other thing i have that i'm going to argue against myself, he really likes this stuff. i mean, the stuff we make, candidates go through and they have to go to iowa and pet the pig and this other stuff. he loves that stuff. he lives for that stuff. >> he owns a pork bee inspired apron that he just dons at home in the naval observatory when he's by himself. >> he wears it under his suit obviously. here's a tweet "i love joe biden but please don't run. you can't win. please don't make me vote against you.
it gets to the point about the unique role he's taken on. all of a sudden, if he gets in, he then becomes a candidate who is going to be in a nasty fight very quickly. >> someone could tell him about that and her name is hillary clinton who can hockey tremendous favorability ratings while at state and as soon as she entered is the theater of politics, naturally, her image suffered. now there is a school of thought that's very prevalent in democratic circles is that demographics is destiny and that you could put a corpse up there and so long as enough hispanic and black voters came out to the polls they'd win. i think biden will have a tougher time because he's not a historical candidate like hillary clinton. but his camp would argue he would make better inroads with white working class men i'm not sure he's destined for a loss necessarily. >> i think also that the argument would end up sort of turning on sort of him being the obama -- the third term of obama and that might work also. charles pierce and sam stein, thank you for joining us. >> thanks, chris.
>> that's "all in." the rachel maddow show starts now. good evening, rachel. >> good evening, chris. thanks, my friend. thanks, and thanks for joining us at home. happy monday. about a month ago the government of cuba reopened its embassy in washington and the u.s. reopened the long shut american embassy in cuba. that american flag going up in havana is one of those things that will absolutely make the first paragraph of any history every written about the presidency of barack obama. foreign follows can be copplicated and fraught. most progress in foreign policy is two steps forward, one step back, right? but for just sheer simple symbolism, you cannot beat reopening an embassy. now it's another one, this time in tehran. except this time it's not us. this time it's the british